[silence] Varese quote

[Kraig Grady]

It seems the question really isn't whether one is ahead of ones time, 
but whether one is speaking the language of ones tribe.
 When one does not, but speaks some importance, it takes time for it to 
be absorbed into the mainstream of that tribe

klaus schmirler wrote:
> Guy De Bievre wrote:
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>> it is not the exact same phrase but it says more or less the same:
>> "There is no such thing as an avant-garde artist. It's an idea made 
>> up by a lazy audience and the critics holding it on a leash. The 
>> artist always is a part of his time, because his mission is to create 
>> that time. It's the audience that lags behind, forming the 
>> 'arriere-garde'." (my translation from the french, though the 
>> original was in english) comes from an interview with A. Rich "Varese 
>> is waiting for the audience" in the NY Herald Tribune of March 28 1965
>> it is a recurring topic in Varese's writings and interviews.
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> Is there anybody else who is reminded, even more than in the original 
> question, of Stein's "Composition as Explanation"?
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> "No one is ahead of his time, it is only that the particular variety of 
> creating this time is the the one that his contemporaries who are also 
> creating their own time refuse to accept. And they refuse to accept it 
> for a very simple reason and that is that they do not have to accept it 
> for any reason."
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> She is more condoning than Varese and doesn't blame critics nor anybody 
> else in particular, just everybody's natural indolence for this time lag 
> among contemporaries:
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> "For this reason as in quoting Lord Grey it is quite certain that 
> nations not actively threatened are at least several generations behind 
> themselves militarily so aesthetically they are more than several 
> generations behind themselves and it is very much too bad, it is so very 
> much more exciting and satisfactory for everybody if one can have 
> contemporaries, if all one's contemporaries could be one's contemporaries."
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>   And I had thought it was Cage who copped so much from Stein.
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> klaus
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>> At 09:57 PM 7/10/2006, Cory P. Mathews wrote:
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>>> [Just feeling lazy, folks.  Please respond only if you don't mind
>>> indulging me.]
>>>
>>> Anyone know what the source is for this quote by Varese:
>>> "The modern artist is not 50 years ahead of his time, the modern
>>> audience is 50 years behind."
>>>
>>> ????????????
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Cory
>>>
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>>> PhD candidate, musicology
>>> university of california, santa barbara
>>> cmathews@umail.ucsb.edu
>>>
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>>>                                                 Simon Critchley
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