[silence] John Cage in Cursive II
Laura Kuhn
lkuhn@johncage.org
Wed Jun 14 10:32:29 EDT 2006
Here's the definitive answer, guys, a comminging of the following
works, with times indicated:
Five = 14:40
Sixty-Eight = 28:53
Five = 4:53
Ryoanji = 9:22
Five = 5:01
Five = 4:49
Seventy-Four = 12:03
Laura Kuhn, Director
John Cage Trust
On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:18 AM, silence-request@list.mail.virginia.edu
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> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:11:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rob Haskins <rob_haskins@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [silence] Cursive II
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> I agree with Andre that it's not 74--too many chords are going on for
> that piece (74 is one of the "unison of differences" pieces). I
> thought I heard some winds, maybe also brass, in the longer excerpt,
> so that would rule out 28--but it doesn't seem to have enough
> instruments for 80. I want to get this disc, though--the choreography
> was beatiful!
> Rob
>
>
> Rob Haskins
> Assistant Professor of Music
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Andr? Chaudron <a.chaudron@wanadoo.nl>
> To: Zac Bond <zacwbond@vt.edu>
> Cc: SilenceList <silence@list.mail.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:40:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [silence] Cursive II
>
> The DVD has been out for a few weeks now.
> A longer clip (3 minutes) can be seen through the Naxos website:
> http://www.naxos.com/mainsite/default.asp?
> label=BBC&active=Composer&Title1=BBC/
> Opus%20Arte%20DVD&InParam=((taxable_flag=0)AND((class_code='BBD')))#
> I'n not sure whether the link will work. If not: try www.naxos.com and
> click
> on Opus Arte DVD (on the left) > DVD catalogue etc.
> I'm quite sure this is one of Cage's number pieces. Doesn't sound like
> Seventy-Four to me though. I would guess it is Twenty-Eight or Eighty,
> as
> far as the instruments go. I haven't heard these pieces before, since
> they
> haven't been recorded yet.
> I hope to buy the DVD as soon as it reaches our shops.
>
> Best wishes,
> Andr? Chaudron
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zac Bond" <zacwbond@vt.edu>
> Cc: "SilenceList" <silence@list.mail.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [silence] Cursive II
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>
>> Rod Stasick wrote:
>>> I saw this video today
>>> and am wondering what
>>> music of John's is used
>>> for this ballet. There's
>>> no info on that states which work(s)
>>> and I haven't been able to find
>>> anything online. Anyone seen this DVD?
>>
>>
>> Based on the video clip with sound at
>> http://www.opusarte.com/pages/catalogue.asp?
>> SearchType=Ballet&OrderByType=ProductTitle
>> and the description elsewhere of it featuring a collage of Cage's
>> works,
>> I would guess it uses number pieces.
>>
>> I'm not sure which piece is playing in the clip, but it wounds like
>> one
>> of the larger scale works in the series (with multiple strings and
>> wind
>> instruments) but apparently without a significant role for percussion.
>> Were I betting man, I'd say it is Seventy-Four.
>>
>> -Zac Bond
>> http://cageblog.blogspot.com
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> From: Rod Stasick <rod@stasick.org>
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> On 2006 Jun 13, at 10:40 AM, Andr? Chaudron wrote:
>
>> The DVD has been out for a few weeks now.
>> A longer clip (3 minutes) can be seen through the Naxos website:
>> http://www.naxos.com/mainsite/default.asp?
>> label=BBC&active=Composer&Title1=BBC/Opus%20Arte%20DVD&InParam=
>> ((taxable_flag=0)AND((class_code='BBD')))#
>> I'n not sure whether the link will work. If not: try www.naxos.com
>> and click
>> on Opus Arte DVD (on the left) > DVD catalogue etc.
>> I'm quite sure this is one of Cage's number pieces. Doesn't sound like
>> Seventy-Four to me though. I would guess it is Twenty-Eight or
>> Eighty, as
>> far as the instruments go. I haven't heard these pieces before,
>> since they
>> haven't been recorded yet.
>> I hope to buy the DVD as soon as it reaches our shops.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Andr? Chaudron
>
> Thanks Andr?.
>
> I saw it last night at Tower Records,
> but like nearly all things Tower,
> it's priced a few dollars over list price,
> so I've already ordered it cheaper online to arrive
> probably in a day or so. I still find it curious that
> there's little or no mention of which Cage work is being
> used. Maybe on the inside of the package there's some info.
>
> I'll let all of you know if someone else doesn't first.
>
> best to you,
>
>
> Rod
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:14:40 +0100
> From: Stuart Riddle <stuart.riddle@virgin.net>
> Subject: [silence] Cursive II
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>> Danced against a restrained background featuring blown-up images of
>> precious Sung porcelain framed by black rice paper, Cursive II is
>> punctuated by variations in energy and complexity, driven by Lin?s
>> deeply poignant collage of music by another Buddhist, John Cage.
>
> I think the clue may be in the word "collage" - and that is why no-one
> can identify the piece. Stuart
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> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:53:38 -0500
> From: Rod Stasick <rod@stasick.org>
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> On 2006 Jun 13, at 1:14 PM, Stuart Riddle wrote:
>
>>> Danced against a restrained background featuring blown-up images
>>> of precious Sung porcelain framed by black rice paper, Cursive II
>>> is punctuated by variations in energy and complexity, driven by Lin
>>> ?s deeply poignant collage of music by another Buddhist, John Cage.
>>
>> I think the clue may be in the word "collage" - and that is why no-
>> one can identify the piece. Stuart
>
>
> I saw this too on the DVD,
> but collage is pretty open for some.
> I've seen collage used when what was
> really meant was "medley."
>
> Still would've been nice for them
> to have acknowledged which works were collaged.
>
> Anthony Braxton's Comp. No. 257 not only collages his own works (+
> 30, 31, 48, 69, 90 & 136)
> but also includes Duke Ellington's Freedom No. 1, 4 & 6 from the
> Sacred Concert No. 2 -
> all of this info all shown on the back of the CD.
>
> Anyway, we'll probably all find out sooner or later.
> I'm sure Andr? would like to add it to his listings.
>
> Thanks for the replies!
>
>
> Rod
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Now playing: Potlatch - Sleep At The Swamp
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:54:13 +0100
> From: Graham Urquhart <gurquhart@madasafish.com>
> Subject: Re: [silence] Cursive II
> To: silence@list.mail.virginia.edu
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> I don't know if this helps at all:
>
> ....'For this piece, Lin Hwai-min uses music that John Cage composed
> mainly during the early 1990s: ascetic, rather melodic works from his
> ?Asian? period, written partly for Tibetan instruments, and making
> generous use of the silence between the phases of musical activity.
> They
> both allow the music to breathe and create a climate in which the
> choreography can evolve freely'
>
> http://www.hkw.de/en/programm2006/intransit06/_intransit06/texte_3/
> cgtrilogie.php
>
> Graham
>
> Rod Stasick wrote:
>> On 2006 Jun 13, at 10:40 AM, Andr? Chaudron wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The DVD has been out for a few weeks now.
>>> A longer clip (3 minutes) can be seen through the Naxos website:
>>> http://www.naxos.com/mainsite/default.asp?
>>> label=BBC&active=Composer&Title1=BBC/Opus%20Arte%20DVD&InParam=
>>> ((taxable_flag=0)AND((class_code='BBD')))#
>>> I'n not sure whether the link will work. If not: try www.naxos.com
>>> and click
>>> on Opus Arte DVD (on the left) > DVD catalogue etc.
>>> I'm quite sure this is one of Cage's number pieces. Doesn't sound
>>> like
>>> Seventy-Four to me though. I would guess it is Twenty-Eight or
>>> Eighty, as
>>> far as the instruments go. I haven't heard these pieces before,
>>> since they
>>> haven't been recorded yet.
>>> I hope to buy the DVD as soon as it reaches our shops.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Andr? Chaudron
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Andr?.
>>
>> I saw it last night at Tower Records,
>> but like nearly all things Tower,
>> it's priced a few dollars over list price,
>> so I've already ordered it cheaper online to arrive
>> probably in a day or so. I still find it curious that
>> there's little or no mention of which Cage work is being
>> used. Maybe on the inside of the package there's some info.
>>
>> I'll let all of you know if someone else doesn't first.
>>
>> best to you,
>>
>>
>> Rod
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Now playing: Derek Bailey - Drop Two
>>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:21:20 -0400
> From: Zac Bond <zacwbond@vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [silence] Cursive II
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> Well, this confuses matters a bit. As far as I know, nothing Cage
> composed for was Tibetan (although percussion parts are typically for
> unspecified instruments). The video on the Naxos site makes it seem
> like the dancers are using a recording (and there are no musicians
> credited that I saw), so I'd be surprised if they used any of the
> as-yet
> unrecorded works.
>
> I have not heard the 108 + One9 recording, which I suppose someone
> might
> call a collage involving an Asian, albeit not Tibetan, instrument.
>
> -Zac
>
> Graham Urquhart wrote:
>> I don't know if this helps at all:
>>
>> ....'For this piece, Lin Hwai-min uses music that John Cage composed
>> mainly during the early 1990s: ascetic, rather melodic works from his
>> ?Asian? period, written partly for Tibetan instruments, and making
>> generous use of the silence between the phases of musical activity.
>> They
>> both allow the music to breathe and create a climate in which the
>> choreography can evolve freely'
>>
>> http://www.hkw.de/en/programm2006/intransit06/_intransit06/texte_3/
>> cgtrilogie.php
>>
>> Graham
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:42:18 -0500
> From: Rod Stasick <rod@stasick.org>
> Subject: Re: [silence] Cursive II
> To: SilenceList <silence@list.mail.virginia.edu>
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> Once the disc arrives,
> I'll post a longer audio excerpt
> on the web.
>
>
> Rod
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Now playing: Ralph Lichtensteiger - ?criture Chiffr?e - for James Drew
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:18:51 +0200
> From: <jannika@rockdiva.de>
> Subject: [silence] Renga & Lecture on the Weather
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> Dear Cage Aficionados:
>
> I am looking for a recording of Cage's "Renga" (with or without
> "Apertment House 1776") and his "Lecture on the Weather."
>
> I need both recordings for research purposes (i.e. my PhD thesis).
>
> I searched local and online music stores but couldn't find them. If
> someone on this list is in the possession of recordings of those two
> compositions, I would appreciate it immensely if I could get a copy.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jannika Bock
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