[silence] Roaratorio Recordings

[Semih Firincioglu]

Sorry to jump in, I just wanted to say that I agree with every word of
Eric¹s message below. He is pointing at some very crucial facts about
recording indeterminate music.

Semih Firincioglu

On 12/7/07 10:12 AM, "Eric Phelps" <ericlphelps@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Josh,
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> There is another section of "Roaratorio" on the Peter Greenaway film (part of
> the four composers series).  It's still out on video...
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> Every performance of Cage's works (recorded and unrecorded) are different.
> The pieces that are built with indeterminacy in the score will ALWAYS be
> different from performance to performance (Theatre Piece, etc. - there's a
> whole section of James Pritchett's book about this very topic).  Since
> "Roaratorio" is so complex, you would have to do some seriously deep listening
> to distinguish between the two, but I don't think that is actually the point.
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> To go a layer deeper, every listening of every recording (even the same one -
> which is now a "fixed" piece) is different... If you listen in the car, your
> home, with headphone, without, etcx.  In addition, we all change from day to
> day, and therefore the things that we heard  one day we will miss another.
> Our ears are actually "growing older" in a sense - and that changes
> everything.  I recently had this experience hearing the Folkways recordings of
> "indeterminacy" (with David Tudor).  I can anticipate most of those stories
> and know some by heart (just from sheer repeition of listening).  As one of
> the stories says about the Winter Music, "No matter what we do - it ends by
> being melodic." 
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> The fact that there are even recordings of these pieces (with John's
> participation - despite the fact that he actually didn't like recordings and
> generally didn't listen to them) is more of a function of the markett place
> than of the compositions.  I mean, - let's face it - he had to make a living
> off of scores, books and recordings... and with 300 pieces, there was plenty
> to go around.  But that's one of the many inherent contradictions in Cage's
> life and work. 
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> So, you can search the internet, the archives, the libraries and the record
> stores of the world for additional recordings of that piece.  But if you want
> to have a "Roaratorio" of your own - go to a bar with an Irish band, stand in
> the doorway and put one ear to the band, one ear to the sounds of the bar, one
> ear to the people talking and one ear to the street - THAT'S a "Roaratorio."
> I think that John would agree with this ("My concerts show us that concerts
> are no longer necessary.").
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> My 3 Cents,
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> Eric 
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